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Polls of O's performance Vs. polls of how many want socialized medicine: both are polls, but only the polls you cite are valid? Oh, silly me, you call yours "Facts or How many people want health care"; but how could anyone know how many people want a given thing without asking, without taking a poll? The Fact is, that new agencies never went around asking every citizen these questions. Rather, they polled a subset of people and presumably used randomly selected ones in various different areas or income groups, and used fair questions.

In his town hall meeting at the Northern Virginia Community College earlier this month, O took questions from 7 or so people in the audience, but 4 of those people were pre-selected and were O supporters. Moreover of the 3 randomly seected, all were from his supporters.




Helen Thomas, no friend of the Bush administration, states that this was a staged event:




Obama has a well established history of audience members asking friendly, rather than tough questions:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-tod ... res-media-


May, 2008, Wolf Blitzer Plays Softball With Barack Obama:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-ba ... rack-obama


Polls are Biased! Your claim that some 73% support Govt (tax payer funded) health care fails to consider that of the 100% of workers, only a fraction actually pay income taxes. Of course those who have no income tax burden should be expected to favor making others pay for their health care! Look at this:

Washington Post/ABC poll as biased for liberals as NY Times poll:




Here is the bias of the AP exposed (7/21/2009):

http://www.businessandmedia.org/article ... 91552.aspx


I expect you will not read these, because you assume that they taking a position opposed to your own must be invalid sources; however, both do a nuts & bolts analysis of the poll that presumed to show strong support for Govt (tax payer funded) health care. Their findings are consistent with the political bias found by a Computer scientist & a Mathematician:

"http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/stuff_for_blog/Evidence%20of%20Systematic%20Bias%20in%202008%20Presidential%20Polling%20(1).pdf"

You will need to copy & paste this because the forum does not work with ".pdf" addresses!?

This analysis shows that there is bias, but it cannot show which sources are correct and which are flawed. It merely demonstrates that CBS/NY Times are on the far Left while Fox is on the far Right. Refer to "Figure 1: Estimated Left/Right Ordering of Network Polls with Estimated Distances for the Period 3/12/08 to 9/29/08." Note that the line here does not assert that its midpoint is politically neutral!

This is why I stated a few pages ago that I hate arguing with you. You rely upon the same types of sources as I do, but you think yours are valid, while mine are void.

Jeffbert, you failed, and I mean you failed hard.

You're not even trying to produce any evidence backing up your original position on health care. Now you're quoting News Corp owned agencies who claim there is Liberal Bias in the media to justify your position.

Either come up with hard evidence that proves any of the bullplop you've been spewing or stop replying to the thread.

36 First and Second world Countries have better health care than the US, longer living people than the US, and not one thing you said disproved any of it.

To top it off you keep getting the definition of socialism wrong. Stop listening to Glenn Beck for a change and pay attention to someone with at least a highschool degree.

Jeffbert, what part of :

You haven't posted any proof that backs up your accusations, just homolies and anecdotal commentary

am I failing to communicate to you?

I will disregard every single post you make until you come up with some sort of actual verified proof. Giving me some bullplop editorial from a News Corp. (Fox News) rag does not, never has, and NEVER WILL qualify as proof for ANYTHING.